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Exclusive interview with Johan Bruyneel (cyclingnews 8/25)
Daniel Bensonによるブリュイネールの長いインタビュー。
USPS事件については、裁判戦略上喋らず、それ以外の話題。
レオパードとの合併、シュレク兄弟について、興味深い発言が色々。

一部の訳を作ったが、誤り含んだいい加減なものなので、原文を参照して下さるようお願いします。
強調をつけたのは私です。

2011年のレオパードには、指揮官がいなかった。選手が、すべてを決めていたんだ。
シュレク兄弟とカンチェラーラが、なにもかも決めて、他全員が、彼等の望み通りのことをした。

私は、まずそのことを知り、次に、その習慣を変えることはできないことが判った。

アンディとフランクはいいやつだし、2人とも才能のある選手だ。あの才能からすれば、もっと多くのことができると思った。でも多分、そうじゃなかった。
私は、あの兄弟がすべてにおいて結びついていることを、完全に過小評価した。
更に、兄弟とキム・アンデルセンとの関係も過小評価した。キムは、兄弟にとって父親同然なんだ。

シュレク兄弟は、私と一緒に仕事をしたくなかった、と思う。カンチェラーラも。それは最初からはっきりしていた。
彼等は、チームを「自分たちの」チームとみなしていて、沢山の決定を自分でして、すべてのことに関与したがった。最初から、私に対する信頼はなかった。

2014年にできるチームは、ひとつのチームになると思う。
その組織の中で機能することのできるのが確実な人々による、the Leopard teamに、また戻るんだ。


一読しての感想は、「随分正直だな」。
「自分がミスをしたこと」を、はっきり認めている。認めないのかと思ったら、そうでもなかった。
言い訳のしようのない、あまりに壊滅的な失敗をしたプロジェクトだったからか。それとも、芯は「小物」だった、ということか?
USADA報告書の中に、初期のUSPSでは、すべてをランスが決め、ブリュイネールはランスの決定には逆らえなかった、という証言をした元チームメートがいたことを思い出す。

今回ブリュイネールの語った「2011年のLeopard Trekがどういうチームで、シュレク兄弟がブリュイネールをどう考え、自爆に至ったか」は、私の解釈・推測と異なるところはない。

私はこれまで、様々な推測・解釈を書き綴ってきた。その多くは、そこらに流通しているものではなく、中には、大外しのものもあった。
しかし、時間と共に、少しずつ、事実に近づいていけた、と思う。

2011年時点で、私は次のことを記述している。
Leopard Trekは、シュレク兄弟にとって
「自分たちが作って、自分たちがコントロールする」チームだった。
作戦を決める主体は、DSではなく、選手たちだった。

レディオシャックとの合併に際して危惧した重要な点は、「シュレク兄弟たちは、ブリュイネールを、指示・指揮に従う相手として自分が選んだ覚えはさらさらない」ことだった。

(合併が)「会合に出席した人間たちが全員ハッピーになるアイデア」であったことは納得したが、彼等が「考慮をしなかった」大きな点は、「アンディ・シュレクとそのチームメート」を望んだのはブリュイネール側だけで、アンディたちは、ブリュイネールを選んではいないこと。
この点を「甘く」みて、選手をコマ扱いして、結果がどうなるかしらんよ、私は。


TdF前、ブリュイネールとシュレク兄弟との衝突が報じられた頃は、「あの兄弟の特質をわかってないなんて、どうしようもないなー」とバカにしている。
ブリュイネールは、「兄弟の絆を過小評価していた」と、今になって表で認めた。(遅すぎです)

合併後のチームが抱えた問題について、2チームは「別の文化」を持っていた、という台詞は、選手たち複数が口にしたことがある。
ただ、2チームの違いの「具体的な」内容を語ったものは読んだことがなかった。
ブリュイネールは、こう述べている。

プロの自転車チームがどうあるべきかのビジョンが全く違った。彼らは、会社みたいだ、と私を非難した。
彼等は、家族とみなしていた。それは私も理解できるし、そうできればいいが、いつもできるわけじゃない。

そう。2011年のLeopard Trekは、サクソバンクで固い絆を作って結びついた人々が、一緒にやりたい仲間たちを呼び集めて作ったチームだった。
大きな成功・戦績を「成し遂げる」ために構築したチームではない。

フォイクトが父さん、オグレディが母さん、ファビアンが大きい兄さん、フランクが真ん中の兄さん、アンディが末っ子。
この喩えは戯れだったが、今になれば、真実だった、といっていいだろう。

さて。過ぎたことは置いて、今後について、ここから導き出せることはというと・・

・ファビアンも、ブリュイネールの命令に従うのは真っ平で、自分の望むようにやりたがった。
さすれば、来季からのTeam Trekで、彼は、Leopard Trek時代と同じ、大きな裁量権を望み、勝ち取った、と解釈できる。
グエルチレーナは、ファビアンの思いのままになる。Leopard Trek時代そうだったから。

・次。来季のチームは、Leopard teamに戻る、というブリュイネールの台詞は、目を引く。
来季のチームは、Team Trekだ。なのに、Leopard teamに戻る?

ブリュイネールは、来季のチーム構想について直接情報を得る立場にはないはず、に思える。しかし、彼は、Trekと長く付き合って、よく知っているし、今季のチームの選手・スタッフを決めたのは、昨秋までGMの座にあった彼だ。
その彼の見方は当たっている、とみなすことができそうな?

・そうなると、シュレク兄弟とTrek及びグエルチレーナとの「力関係」について私が前に書いたことには、俄然、疑問が生じる。

ブリュイネールの言うように「Leopard Trekは、シュレク兄弟とカンチェラーラの2トップが支配していた」としたら、「ファビアンが、その体制の復活を望むのか、そうでないのか」が、Trekの意向よりも大きな意味を持つのではないか。

兄弟とファビアンの間に、以前と変わらず信頼関係が存在しているとすれば、復活して不思議はなく、何らかの事情によって失われたとすれば、復活しない。そういう可能性がないか。
さて、(ここまでお読みになった方全員お気づきと思うが)、ここで、件の栗村氏の発言が、再び、問題になる。

・・ガセか否かの裏が取れないから、困ったもんである。えいやでご本人に聞いたとしても、まず無理だよな~~、きっとソースの確定もできない。始末が悪い。
こういうのは面倒なので、来季、J SPORTSを見ないことを、本気で考えている。CS視聴のために契約しているケーブルTVを解約する。
今年のJスポ実況解説は、「全体を振り返って」評価して、「聞く必要なしどころか、害になった」という結論に至った。

・cyclingnewsの原文、シュレク兄弟関係部分

CN: We'll start with RadioShack and Leopard Trek. The merger between the two teams and what exactly went wrong?

JB: Okay, well in 2011 RadioShack renewed for two more years and then finally we got to the point where we made that 'fantastic' decision of making the merger.

CN: How did that come about?

JB: Not a lot of people understood but the centre piece to the merger was Trek. We had the usual set up, as always: a team from before with an American company, title sponsor RadioShack, second sponsor Nissan and then Trek, which was a long term partner.

Then all of a sudden we found out that Trek had signed an exclusivity deal with Leopard from 2012 onwards. I guess Trek made that decision based on the feeling that RadioShack would not renew and that the team would be finished after Lance retired. They signed the deal with Leopard for 2012-2014. Their assumption was that they could talk to Becca, smooth things over, and that they would be able to carry on with us. But they were wrong and Becca came back and said 'no, it's exclusive and if the contract is not respected there are going to be consequences'.

CN: Did you need to merge?

JB: We didn't need to merge but at the same time the budget was significantly lower for us in 2012. We still could have had a WorldTour team in 2012 but not with the level of quality in riders that we had hoped for. The biggest winner of the merger though was Leopard because all of a sudden they went from having no title sponsor to having 15 million USD a year extra.

It all happened so fast but it started back in August 2011. The main issue was that we came with RadioShack, Nissan, staff, riders and a lot of money to a team that had no title sponsor and from the beginning it was just a disaster. It was just terrible. In hindsight it has been a very bad decision.

CN: What was the first thing to go wrong?

JB: I guess what the majority of the Leopard members didn't get was that, yes, they had their own little group but the guy who was bankrolling the team [Becca] was looking for money and whether they like him or not, if you have the choice between having a sponsor or paying out of your own pocket you're going to choose a sponsor. We, the RadioShack 2011 part were seen as the intruders and the only thing the Leopard guys never questioned was the fact that us coming to the team meant the team could pay the bills.

CN: When was the first time you spoke to Cancellara and the Schlecks?

JB: That's another thing. So the business deal had been done between the senior management of Leopard which was Becca and two of his business partners. Until that was done there were no talks or conversations with any riders. But in the meantime the rumour was out there, because in cycling its basically impossible to not have anything leaked, and these uninformed riders were unhappy and started to criticise the merger from the very beginning, without having all the information.

But from the beginning you could see that it was going to be train wreck. On the one side there was … this attitude of 'why are you coming to our group?' The merger, it just wasn't a good decision. It was … it was only good for Becca.

I definitely underestimated it. We came into this whole new set up, this whole new culture of how a team is run. That's when I realised that there was going to be this clash. There was no leadership in Leopard 2011. It was the riders who were deciding things. The Schlecks, Cancellara, they were deciding everything and everyone else was just doing whatever they wanted. I could see that from the beginning, and I could see that it was going to be next to impossible to change that habit. It was just a struggle.

CN: At the team presentation in Luxembourg in 2012, what was the atmosphere like? I remember speaking to you and you wouldn't confirm Frank Schleck's race programme and I spoke to Fuglsang and he didn't seem happy with anything.

JB: Nobody was happy. No one was happy with the situation. I guess also because there were two completely different visions of what a professional cycling team was. They criticised me for seeing it more like a company, a corporation that could perform. They saw it like a little family. I can understand that, it's a nice thing to have, but it's not always possible. So there was this huge imbalance.

Both Andy and Frank are good guys and both are very talented bike riders but I thought though that they could do more with their talents. Turns out maybe that's not the case. I definitely underestimated the brother bond they have in everything. I also underestimated the brother relationship with Kim Andersen, who is basically like a father to those two.

CN: At Liege that year Andy said that Kim would be at the Tour, but already you'd stated that Kim wouldn't be there and that Frank would do the Giro. What was going on?

JB: They were a group of guys who were just doing whatever they wanted to do and moving into a system where you don't always get what you want. Now I see they've gone back to whatever they want to do and things aren't going much better. Again I don't want to criticise anyone's habits but things didn't match and it wasn't possible to work together.

CN: What about the decision to send Frank Schleck to the Giro because on paper he could have won that race?

JB: In my opinion, yes he could. He could have won it yes, but it wasn't his goal from the start of the season so he wasn't preparing for it. He could have done better than just going home. I was there when he abandoned. I still don't know if it was planned or not. I arrived the day before and he'd done a good race that day. From there on I thought it was going to be okay and that it was only going to get better. Physically he was there but mentally he wasn't and it was all about the Tour for him. It's a shame because I just wasn't able to get close enough to them.

CN: What do you put that down to?

JB: I put to down to two factors. I'm not going to say it's impossible to work with those guys and I have my own way of seeing things. We could just never find a compromise. I'm not saying it's my fault or theirs, we just didn't click but in everyone's' mind at Leopard I was the intruder.

CN: Were the riders a team?

JB: I think they are now but in the first year of the merger there was a big division. It was like RadioShack and Leopard, different teams but racing in the same jersey. It was the same with the staff.

CN: When did the situation with Becca start to fall apart?

JB: Not really until I left the team. I never had a bad relationship with Becca, on the contrary. Then for some reason we had the issue with the loan.

CN: But just going through it stage by stage, you weren't at the Tour in 2012 because of the USADA report but whose decision was it for you stay at home?

JB: We talked about it and we agreed on it.

CN: We get press releases all the time, and good example came from BMC a few weeks ago, where someone said they were leaving the team but it's clear they were released from their contract by their management. What was the situation with you?

JB: It was after the USADA report came out. When was it?

CN: October.

JB: Okay so I resigned straight after that. We [Bruyneel and Becca] went over the main points but that was it. I couldn't do anything anymore and if I didn't want to harm the team I had to leave. There was too much damage and the accusations were too heavy. It was a mutual decision. I have no hard feelings about that at all.

CN: At what point in 2012 did you realise that leaving the team was a real possibility?

JB: Not until I saw the report.

CN: You must have had some idea about what the report was going to be like. It wasn't… well it wasn't going to be positive, was it?

JB: I can't say anything on that subject.

CN: So can you explain about the loan to Becca and where things stand there. He still owes you money doesn't he?

JB: I gave him a loan and they paid back part of it earlier in the year and the rest was due. It wasn't paid and we had to go to court and there was a ruling that they had to pay by August 5 and I've not seen anything.

CN: Going back to the Schlecks, where did this initial sense of 'we don't want to work with Johan Bruyneel' come from? Was it because they were concerned with the USADA report coming out?

JB: That wasn't an issue when we started to talk in 2011. I think they just didn't want work with me, Cancellara too and that was all clear from the beginning. They really saw it as "their" team and they went far in making a lot of decisions and they wanted to be involved in everything. From the beginning there was no trust.

CN: Did you trust them?

JB: Not necessarily. I thought at the beginning, and again I made some mistakes and I thought it would be simple, so I can blame myself for that part but something like that needs time. I think the new team that's going to be established in 2014, that's going to be one team. It's going to be the Leopard team again as there will be certain people who can only function in that structure. For example, let's say I was still there now one of the things I would have done was send Andy to the Vuetla. He had his issues last year and a bad spring but he in the last week at the Tour there was some improvement. You would think that the condition he built up having missed all the races, the Vuelta would have been good for him. He could have built on that and he could have made up for all the time lost. Instead he's in Colorado and he's far down in that race.

CN: How did the Leopard situation compare to the 2009 situation where you had Armstrong coming back and Alberto Contador in your squad?

JB: This [Radioshack – Leopard] was a lot more difficult. The Astana experience wasn't easy but it was different. I was in charge then. At Leopard I was never really in charge and they just did whatever they wanted to do.

There was of course tension in 2009 but it wasn't an easy situation. Lance had decided to comeback. We spoke and we decided to do it together. It was definitely something that Contador didn't like.

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